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[hpraremod]

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Discussion Question #10
Who do you feel would have changed due to the events of the war and how? The Malfoys? Harry? McGonagall? Discuss whatever character you like.

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[masteroftrouble.livejournal.com]

well for one I never saw Harry as really outwardly wishing for a family

Really? Not even when he was staring at his photo album? Or wishing he could stay at the Weasleys and be part of their family?

Not trying to sound rude, I'm just curious to how you interpreted those scenes.

Also, children (subconsciously) learn from their elders on how to treat people. Harry may seem like a nice, polite boy because he was trying not to be like the Dursleys, but then we see that Vernon and Petunia kind of demand politeness from him. It's a psychological mind fuck, really. So it is very, very possible (almost a given) that Harry would act like the Dursleys even if he's not even aware that he's doing so. We all grow up to be our parents, after all, and his "parents" (aka the people who raised him) weren't that kind.

[nevrafire.livejournal.com]

sorry- I meant him wishing for a family of his own making. meaning him getting married and having kids

I should have made that clearer. (cause duh, of course he wanted a family to Belong! the dursleys were horrible)

I'm not saying Harry would be perfect little dad- he probably would have his moments of depression.

But I doubt he would demand perfection from his kids/wife since he himself is not perfect, and he knows it.

I mean ron and hermione are not perfect and while harry sometimes got annoyed with them- he didn't asked the to change.

in fact- when he went to hogwarts he had two choices- seen as "perfect" people like draco malfoy- or misfits like Hagrid, the Weasleys,etc

whom did he stuck with? the misfits. did he ask them to change or fit an idea? no.

ALSO there were a few cases of people who were Nice to him while at the dursleys (ex. Mrs. Figgs the squib neighbor) or teachers,

and sorry but I completely disagree with that 100% of the time we end like the people who raise us- I think that not all of us are predestined to be carbon copies of our parents- and are capable to change.

some maybe, but we haven't seen Harry act like the dursleys much, act grumpy and martyr and hermit like-yeah- but that's because of negligence and emotional abuse from the dursleys.

plus, yeah he spent 11 years with the dursleys but the next 6-7 he got surrounded by good, decent people and i'm sure that can have a huge impact on him as well.

like, bottom line- i dont see harry treating his family like that at all and there is no evidence he would

[masteroftrouble.livejournal.com]

He might not have asked them to change, but he did throw some nice hissy fits. :)

Honestly, harry stuck with Ron because Ron was the FIRST person to reach out to him as a friend. I'm pretty sure JKR even acknowledged that somewhere -- I remember reading it. The misfits were the first people to reach out to him and, sorry, but I see why he sticks with them. However, if Draco had reached out to him in the robe shop instead of shunning Hagrid, well, we could have seen a different Harry (and I think that's really awesome to explore).

I never said that 100% of the time you turn out like the people who raised you. I said that it happens most of the time -- just look around. Yes, everyone is capable of change, but we're also very, very comfortable with keeping pace, sometimes. It's easy to be like those who raised you and not even realize it. Thus the joke of "oh god, I'm turning into my mother."

I can name quite a few people that weren't good or decent in the wizarding world. :) So he wasn't completely surrounded by good people -- and he did turn out like his cousin in some regard. ESPECIALLY when it came to Draco. Harry was a bully at various points in his Hogwarts life.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. There is plenty of evidence here that can be put to either argument. I do see some of what you're saying, but I also see my side and (since it's my side), it just happens to be stronger, lol.

[nevrafire.livejournal.com]

hissy fits= martyr complex

and i didn't meant all people he met were decent people. but most of the weasleys were, lupin was, tonks, was, neville and most of the gryffindors, mcogonagall.

also harry fought against the "norm" a lot. he didn't wanted to be a spotlight hogger, arrogant celebrity like lockhart, he didn't want to be like slytherin in second year when everyone thought him the heir. he didn't wanted to be the poster boy for the ministry or be treated like a mental case.

and yeah Harry acted bully-ish a lot. but A. so did Draco, and B. i'm not talking early school years- i'm talking end of the war. and while he didn't became besties with malfoy *thank god* he forgave him'

Heck He even forgave snape whom he LOATHED for 6 years. he even told Voldemort the one who wanted to murder him and everyone he cared about, that he could turn his life around if he repented and felt true remorse.

that doesn't seem like someone who would be hard on his kids.

(i wasn't going to answer but saying your side is because it's your side it's stronger when Neither of Us is the be all end all of canon (rowling is the only one who knows how harry would treat his kids) was condescending)

[masteroftrouble.livejournal.com]

Okay, stopping right here. I want you to go back and reread what I said. "I also see my side and (since it's my side), it just happens to be stronger, lol." I'm seeing my side as stronger because it's my side. I never said it was stronger to anybody else but me -- just like your side will always come out stronger for you. Rude, arrogant, or condescending was not how I ever intended to come across.

[hpraremod]

Okay this is where I step in. Conversation and discussions are lovely to discuss, however each person has their own side and views of such topics like such. As you said, the only one who truly knows is JK, however as she will never comment on this, it's up to our own interpretations. We asked for your opinions and that's what we got, we understand that, but we would rather this doesn't turn into arguments.

[nevrafire.livejournal.com]

alright, i'm sorry. :(

I shouldn't have started bickering.

harry is my second favorite character and i didn't liked the insinuation that he would be a a bad perfect expectations on his kids.

but i'll play nice from no on, promise. I dont want to get in trouble

[masteroftrouble.livejournal.com]

I do apologize as well -- I never intend any discussion I'm in to turn into an argument. <3